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    tuning my lsj

    ok so I'm trying to give this sd tuning a go but I'm seeing some weird stuff that is unexpected or unsettling.

    I've attached my basic sd tune file, config file, and a sample log file.

    in my tune file I set the maf fail=0, dfco temp=280, copied my high octane table to the low, and set the pe multiplier to 1.25 across (for later use).

    I figured that these changes would be an ok starting point.

    I started up and began the logging after clearing the trim tables.

    I let the car idle and warm up for a while. I noticed the car went into closed loop. (I thought it wasn't supposed to do that for sd tuning??)
    so i used the vcm controls to turn off closed loop.

    then I went for a leisurely drive, captured close to 25mins of data, figured that was alright for a starting point as i try to figure out what the heck i'm doing.

    while driving, the first thing i notice that bothers me is that the commanded afr is hovering down around 6.8-7.5!
    well that just seems totally wrong to me.
    shouldn't it be up around 14.7?
    so I have no idea why it is commanding such a low number....
    where does that commanded afr come from?, how is it derived?
    I watched the w/b as the computer desperately tried to drag the afr down to those lowly numbers, it made its way down to the 10's often...rich huh?

    after gathering the data i put a filter on the afr error% histogram, set a 10count for this initial sampling.
    didn't cover too much square footage of the table, but ok for a start.
    so this data is showing me that my afr error% is ranging from 55% to 103%!
    huh?
    can that be true?
    that seems wrong to me. but yeah, that afrcmd is throwing things off i bet.
    if you look at that histogram you can see those numbers

    I tried special pasting % into the ve to see what it looked like.
    looks totally wacked to me!

    so i already figured i was doing something quite wrong here. definitely not understanding a few things.

    next I looked at the ltft histogram.
    used the same 10count filter.
    ok, it didn't look as wacky.
    most of the cells said -1 which ought to mean no change required.
    a few of the low rpm cells logged -11,-14,-5,-4, etc.

    so anyhow, I feel like I've missed out on some really important step here. I'm headin down the wrong path maybe.

    any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
    I've read and re-read the info available in these forums till I get to a point that I feel confident enough to give it a whirl. but then I run into some unexpected results.

    oh, and another question....I was reading in some other threads that some don't bother with all this tedious ve tuning stuff, but rather take a simpler route and do maf tuning only. I think it might have been russk that was discussing this. so is that a viable option on the lsj?? and if so what is the approach to take to accomplish that on this engine?

    Thanks!
    Last edited by my_bd; 06-30-2007 at 07:38 PM.
    my_bd 2004 Saturn Ion Redline - 2.0L Supercharged LSJ (P12) 13.1 @ 110

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    I let the car idle and warm up for a while. I noticed the car went into closed loop. (I thought it wasn't supposed to do that for sd tuning??)
    so i used the vcm controls to turn off closed loop.
    don't get Speed Density mode & Open Loop confused, they are not one in the same...I just made a post about engine modes which should help you understand that part a little better.

    while driving, the first thing i notice that bothers me is that the commanded afr is hovering down around 6.8-7.5!
    nowhere in that log is your commanded afr at 6.8-7.5 can you post a screenshot or tell me what frames this happens in?

    well that just seems totally wrong to me.
    shouldn't it be up around 14.7?
    so I have no idea why it is commanding such a low number....
    where does that commanded afr come from?, how is it derived?
    I watched the w/b as the computer desperately tried to drag the afr down to those lowly numbers, it made its way down to the 10's often...rich huh?
    its derived from several things, stoich, pe, OLFA, any adder or multiplyer tables, COT, etc.

    after gathering the data i put a filter on the afr error% histogram, set a 10count for this initial sampling.
    didn't cover too much square footage of the table, but ok for a start.
    so this data is showing me that my afr error% is ranging from 55% to 103%!
    huh?
    again nowhere in the log does it say this...maybe your config is screwed up? Im just using the default config & it works fine...with that said you are super rich when in open loop apparently and your commanded is 10-20% off from your actual.
    It doesn't have to be perfect, it just needs to be done in two weeks...

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    BTW I just used your config & it works fine, even with the filters & all so im not exactly sure what your doing
    It doesn't have to be perfect, it just needs to be done in two weeks...

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    another thing, your PCM uses both the high & low octane tables when in SD so you don't have to worry about copying the high to the low table.
    It doesn't have to be perfect, it just needs to be done in two weeks...

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    My recommendation at this moment to you would be to not do/try ANY speed density tuning AT LEAST until after I've released my LS2/I4 SD how to...there are soooo many differences you can't use that LS1 SD how to. Or at least read up on LS2's & how they work since they are very similar to your car.
    It doesn't have to be perfect, it just needs to be done in two weeks...

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    why not just go to the default imperial config...seemed to work fine for me
    It doesn't have to be perfect, it just needs to be done in two weeks...

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    another thing you could try is the configs at the top of this forum that other people have posted...even most LS2 configs will work as well.
    It doesn't have to be perfect, it just needs to be done in two weeks...

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    Im used the ls1 sd setup with my wideband and it worked so far...Just had injector min pulsewidth issues but I just recently figured out those using the min pw and adder tables so now I dont have lean condition under coast due to too low inj pw.

    This was on my lsj redline

    And you said our car uses the Hi spark table on SD? If so sweet!

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    This should help in the time being

    http://www.thetuningdoctor.com/HPTun...uningGuide.doc
    It doesn't have to be perfect, it just needs to be done in two weeks...

    A wise man once said "google it"